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Poster: Reade Date: Mar 14, 2013 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

If he's growing and developing new styles to his playing I say more power to him.
Just puzzle over his stoic, single-minded dedication to the GD song and cover catalog. I mean there's a world of material and genres out there.
Inasmuch as he's been clearly struggling with it on at least one level recently, as his difficulty with getting crowds to even listen to him do Dylan covers (Hard Rain and Knockin') attests, "reinterpreting" PITB for two acoustic guitars and fiddle just compels me to believe there's gotta be more interesting things he could be doing. Why doesn't he want to?

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Poster: ducats Date: Mar 14, 2013 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

i don't think he's capable. he's an old grouchy drunk that really was never that good anyway. his (it was him right?) statement that he carried Jerry for the last 10 years is laughable. without Jerry, Bobby would have never been anything, and the Fat Man never needed any carrying. in fact, we were still seeing him right to the very end-when he sucked-and that wasn't because Bobby was carrying him.

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Poster: Reade Date: Mar 14, 2013 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

Thanks. I'm with Tell. Your response here is priceless.

I remember your story about minding your own business @ a Ratdog gig and him shoving you out of the way from behind to get to the stage like he was 'mad at the world' ......
Gotta tell ya, if there's a guy alive who -instead of being angry- should be giving joyful thanks on a regular basis for every day he's had since 1960-something when he first met Garcia.....

What in the world would he have amounted to otherwise?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 14, 2013 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

"...he's an old grouchy drunk that really was never that good anyway"

Crap, dc--I think I am developing a "man crush" on ya!

;)

That is just pure gold...

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Poster: Hashjihad Date: Mar 14, 2013 3:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

http://www.tristudios.com/videos/bob-weir-jackie-greene-shakey-ground

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 14, 2013 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

I was simply commenting on the way he is playing guitar in what is a very small sampling that I have heard.I am not at all invested in his growth as an artist,thankfully for that peaked around 1974,so if he can play a version of PITB in 2013 that I find interesting that's enough for me,it's more than I can say for Jerry who continued to tour and play the same stale catalog very poorly with the JGB or that dull and creatively challenged music he made with Grisman.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Mar 15, 2013 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

jer, I usually agree with most of your comments - including most of the above, JGB, stale catalog, etc. - but I disagree heartily with "dull and creatively challenged music with Grisman." For this listener, some of his late acoustic material with Grisman (and Rice) is wonderful icing on a long career. The playing is crisp, inspired and good-humored... one of my all-time favorites is the Pizza Tapes collection, and his rendering of So What, or old traditionals like Shady Grove. Terrific insight into a session with Jerry.

It's interesting that you find Weir's playing has morphed... for me it's just slowed down, indefinite and maybe a little lackadaisical. He needs young blood surrounding him to make passable music at this juncture. Weir was good - I'm with you on the early 70s - but certainly not good enough to carry Jerry as ducats mentions, nor good enough to front any band as lead guitarist. At this point, the boys should hang it up, the music is going nowhere... it's self-indulgent.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 15, 2013 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

It is a valid point to take issue with that comment as it was poorly stated and for the most part wrong.I just hoped that the side projects he chose outside the GD would have been less traditional than a bar band (JGB) and acoustic Americana and more adventurous along the lines of say,Phil and Ned or a big band with horns or most anything other than what we got.Even with the Grisman live performance line up he had that lame bass player and percussionist and that average fiddle player and the song selection seemed uninspired,but some of that may just be subjective.

As for Weir's recent guitar stylings my opinion is based on such a small sample as to be invalid.Like you said I do find it to be slowed down and less harsh,that unpleasant metallic edge is gone and he seems to have found a way to play a lead line off his own rhythm licks.I find some of the stuff he has been doing very interesting and I like that he is enlisting some younger musicians to play the catalog and keep the music alive and changing.I also enjoy some of his solo acoustic repertoire.

More likely than not you have seen these,if not you might enjoy them.

http://www.tristudios.com/videos/bob-weir-friends-other-one

http://www.tristudios.com/videos/bridge-session-other-one

http://www.tristudios.com/videos/fog-bob-weir-china-doll

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Mar 16, 2013 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

I would not be hopeful or expect Weir to get really adventurous, although it's an adventure whenever he starts to sing these days - the higher parts are out of his range now. I do agree that bringing in younger musicians is the right approach, and the Tri-Studios work is sometimes courageous, at other times just dull.

I put on that China Doll - it just proves the point. Chimenti was excellent and leading the show, the other guitarist decent... and Weir might as well not have been there at all, except that it's his playhouse. But I agree, he still has some chops - the small club is just not the place for rapt attention. I think this is a better example of what he can do solo:

http://www.tristudios.com/videos/bob-weir-big-bad-blues

and then, you get an adventurous misfire like Corrina: http://www.tristudios.com/videos/bob-weir-corrina

All in all, I'd say he showed some professional restraint just walking off in that one clip (some days ago); the other clip where he's screaming "shut the f up" is just the opposite, demonstrating his hubris.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 16, 2013 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

Well he always presented the possibility of a train wreck and being 66 years old and seemingly under the influence of some sort of substances on occasion,you are going to get what he has delivered.As far as I can tell his guitar playing has matured and is somewhat different than what it was with the late era GD and the little I have heard I sometimes enjoy.I thought he was present throughout the China Doll and added nice,small rhythmic touches and an almost bossa nova like feel.I see where he was tentative,but he probably got one or two run throughs of that arrangement and likely didn't want to step on anyone's toes,and he is the rhythm guitarist after all,on a quiet piece featuring the piano and lead guitar.

The solo acoustic is a whole new arena with nothing previous to compare,so it is hit or miss as you pointed out with those two examples.I think it takes some nerve to go out and play some fairly adventurous arrangements of material that is well known and not be a lead guitarist.I'm not saying it's good or bad,but it is ballsy.As for his voice he was never much of a singer and put 66 years on it and we hear what you get.

I just thought that I would point out something positive Bob was doing in the original post in this thread because calling him talentless and this or that seems to be the trend,and that is just ignorant,no Bob,no GD as we came to know it, Jerry was not the same guitarist without Bob and when they were at the top of their game (72'-74') Bob was integral.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Mar 16, 2013 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

I appreciate your original intent, and have a great deal of respect for Mr. Weir. He has deep knowledge about how to make music and how to fit in the context with other musicians. And I agree he made very significant contributions to the overall GD experience - you won't find me knocking him, with the exception of some questionable vocal choices over the years. You can't fault him for keepin' on doing what he wants - what he was born to do.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 15, 2013 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

Yeah, uj--"self-indulgent" is right, though I don't mean that in a really negative fashion (afterall, what else am I, hereabouts, if NOT that, eh? Ahem...).

And, I don't mean to sound like such cranky old fart so often, but really...that clip where he got mad and walked off? I was so glad others posted that his guitar work was "odd" or bad even, as I didn't know WHAT to think...

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 14, 2013 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PITB

He doesn't reinterpret dook-squat here. It's just a coffee-house version of the same song. There are some moments here, but overall, eh.

I have not paid to see Bob Weir since Ratdog Mardi Gras....1996? I've listened to some Furthur and this ensemble stuff and I just don't find it very interesting.

It just makes me wish Jerry was around or it gives me the urge to find a REAL version of the song.